Thursday, December 4, 2008

Saved. Knowing God. Two different things.

I've been mulling over something for a long time now, waiting for the pieces to fall into place, and they did last night just as I crawled into bed and passed out for the night. I think I'm on to something because it didn't leave my head when I woke up 7 hours later.
This is really going to piss off a lot of people. Here goes.
You can be "saved" and your sins forgiven and not know God. You can be practicing any sort of sinful lifestyle and still be on the path to heaven, but you may never know it or be able to enjoy the trip, because you don't know God.
This came to me while reading 1 John 2 where the apostle writes, "If anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."
OK, do you get that? All sin, everyone's sin, past, present and future has been paid for by the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross. Does that mean we stop sinful practices? Maybe, if we really understand what that sacrifice meant. But how many people really understand what it means? How many people really know what that means. Well, John goes on to say, "We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did."
Does John say, that anyone truly saved obeys the commandments? No, he says if we know and love God, then we obey. This is a clear distinction between the act of salvation and what some people call "the witness."
We have to understand that we have NOTHING to do with the salvation process. That is all in Jesus. He did it for us. They only thing we have to do to get on the train is say, "Yes, I want to be saved and not go to hell."
Many people do exactly that and then go on to lead the most horrendous lifestyle. For example, Fred Phelps, the Idaho pastor that travels around the country making ugly anti-gay protests. Almost every Christian I know thinks what he does is an abomination. They do not call his lifestyle Christian. Yet, they all know that Fred made a commitment to Christ and is therefore a Christian.
The problem is, Fred is a very bad witness and no one wants to be associated with him. Why, because Fred really doesn't know God and his lifestyle shows it. Still going to heaven, but not someone to be around.
To know God, you have to spend some time with him. That's why we need to read the Bible and pray. That doesn't mean reading a book about what someone else says the Bible says; that doesn't mean listing to Christian radio or watching Christian TV; it doesn't mean listening to sermons. None of that is bad, but it does not replace reading God's "letters" to you and talking directly to him. That's how you get to know him. And when you get to know him, you find out how much he loves you. You find out what he had to give up to get you into a relationship with him. And you find yourself becoming more and more grateful and want to find out what you can possibly do for him. And what does he tell you to do?
He says, be safe; don't do harm to yourself or others, and spend more time with him. That's the heart of the Bible. All of it.
OK, so some Christians are really pissed off right now saying I'm taking this all out of context. Let me give you some context. Read all of Romans in one sitting. Don't stop after a couple of chapters. Take it all in at one time. Do the same with Galatians. Then read all of John's Epistles in one sitting. You can do all of that in a single day.
Then read Luke 17:11-19. Oh, heck, I'll just give it to you.
"Now on his way to Jerusalem, Jesus traveled along the border between Samaria and Galilee. As he was going into a village, ten men who had leprosy met him. They stood at a distance and called out in a loud voice, 'Jesus, Master, have pity on us!' When he saw them, he said, 'Go, show yourselves to the priests.' And as they went, they were cleansed. One of them, when he saw he was healed, came back, praising God in a loud voice. He threw himself at Jesus' feet and thanked him - and he was a Samaritan. Jesus asked, 'Were not all ten cleansed? Where are the other nine? Was no one found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?' Then he said to him, 'Rise and go; your faith has made you well.'"
The question I have for you is how many of the lepers were "saved" from their disease? Was it only the one who came back or all 10? Only one decided to find out more about the man who saved him. The other nine went on their way, continuing in the life they had before they met Jesus. (By the way, at that time, Samaritans to Jews where the equivalent of gays to evangelicals).
Let me give you a couple of other examples from the Old Testament. Abraham lied and cheated his way through life. So did his grandson Jacob. So did his descendent David, King of Israel. Yet those three spent time with God and knew him. They had relationship with him. Those are only three I'm mentioning.
Yet Jesus and all the apostles say that when Jesus rose from the dead, he brought with him everyone who was in Hell who wanted to come. They are all with God now, regardless of how they lived their life and whether they knew God.
Your lifestyle doesn't keep you from being saved. It can just keep you from enjoying your life. Don't believe me? Start reading the Bible. You'll see.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hey Lou! Didn't know you had a blog till Kath e-mailed me this morning. Why didn't you say so?
Just wanted to let you know I'm reading.
Good stuff. Didn't piss me off one bit.
Hi to Linda.

Unknown said...

Thanks, S. My readership seems to be packed with hotness on a grand scale. And I'm surprised that I haven't gotten more negative comments considering that's fairly normal on the blogosphere, but then the site jsut started a couple of months ago and it takes a while for it to permeate the net.

And I have LOTS of blogs. this is number 5, I think.

Anonymous said...

5 blogs! Lou, you're on the verge of becoming a blog hog. It's official when you have 6. Careful.

I suppose your posts could be incendiary to some. You don't mind arguing an opposing view, do you? Makes things more interesting.

In my blog circle (traditional painters) we tend to be overly polite to each other. It's not often that someone will leave a negative remark, unless an artist oversteps the traditional art vs. abstract art boundaries. Then everyone gets stirred up. I've touched on the subject a couple of times. Makes me laugh how emotional and polarized artists will get on this issue. Kind of like legalistic christians and more grace oriented christians.

I look forward to reading more of your editorials. Can you call it an editorial on a blog? Bloggotorial?
e-ditorial? Commentary! Ha.