Sorry it's been a while since I last wrote, but January and February were extremely busy. finally got a couple of days off to think about things other than work and I have a notebook full of ideas, but today I wanted to take up the issue of legislating morality.
I don't believe it can be done, but there are many who think otherwise and point to laws against murder as proof. But my point is that while you can pass laws against or for anything, it doesn't change the moral climate of a society. Murder is still a prevalent crime throughout our society in spite of laws and punishments against it. The US founding fathers put the restrictions on government interference in religion for a reason and this is one of them.
(Note I did not say the separation of church and state, which is a misunderstood concept. The premise was not to keep the influence of religion out of government, but to limit government endorsement control of religion. Interpretation in the past 100 years has reversed the intent of the concept.)
A good example of what I am talking about is the attitude regarding abortion in the US. Both sides of this highly polarized issue are pushing for government intervention in what is ultimately a moral decision. When life begins is not the issue, but when life attains a right to life is. And that decision is based on one's theology, not politics. Therefore the decision rests in the individual. There are any number of laws and legislation that are meant to control access and availability of abortion but none of them have had any affect on how many abortions are performed in the US.
Some might point to the Roe v. Wade decision as the legalization of abortion, but that isn't the case. What happened in that decision was the government actually started taking notice. Statistics on abortion were not really reliable until 1970 because many abortion were done in private and reporting was not required, and they continued to climbe after Roe- v Wade in 1973. After 1979, however the the number of abortions flattened out and started a steading decline beginning in 1990. After some thorough checking, there really wasn't any major change in US legislation against abortion in 1990 and beyond, nor were there any major legal precedent changes. So what was it that caused abortion to flatten out and then decline?
A little more checking and I found that in 1974 a movement promoted by the evangelical community, Crisis Pregnancy Centers, became a real force by the early 1980s and went into ascension in 1990 as it attained the same government support levels as Planned Parenthood. The centers have changed names a couple of times since then but the work is still pretty much the same: offer an alternative to Planned Parenthood's abortion bias. Some people on the pro-choice side claim the CPC dogma is deceptive, but pro-lifers say the same about Planned Parenthood, so I think the rhetoric balances out.
Here's my point: The morality of abortion was not legislated. The state just said, leave us out of it. It's up to people to make moral choices like this and the church is better equipped for that job. Abortion and teen pregnancy are steadily declining all over the country not because of legislation, but because people of faith decided to start doing their job and provide a second moral option. What's more, they did it in a loving, non-judgmental manner. (you might have had a different experience with the CPC people, but the one's I know provided information on abortion services to anyone who really wanted them and did it without making the client feel guilty.)
If there are issues of morality that you are concerned about, don't look to the government to fix it. That job belongs to the church and it's about time we started doing our job. We already know it works.
Saturday, March 14, 2009
Saturday, March 7, 2009
Effective faith
One of my friend's father died last night after a really long bout with cancer. My friend didn't have the best relationship with his dad because he treated my friend's wife -- one of the sweetest people in the entire world -- like crap. But near the end, the wife and the father reconciled. He apologized and the wife, who is full of grace, just showed him love and forgiveness. the father has been in a coma for the last few days and she was by his side for much of it. He came our of it a few hours before he died and she was right there, telling him about heaven and the love God has for him. She walked him through the process of reconciling with God for the simple reason that her children, his grandchildren, loved him and wanted him to be in heaven. And so the old man made his peace with God with the woman he had verbally abused for many years, leading him literally by the hand into eternity.
Sweet story.
Here's the thing.
Lynda and I have been in relationship with this family for a long time. We love them to death. Sometimes they come to church, but because of their work schedules, about the only day they get to have together is Sunday, so the don't come to church very often. He's not really into church stuff, anyway. And she is really new-agey and into crystals and auras. You know, the kind of stuff that gives regular evangelicals the heebee-geebies. She also reads the Bible and teacher her kids what she learns. She totally has the love of God thing down. In fact, she has it down better than most of the regular evangelicals I know, primarily because she doesn't go to church very often and doesn't get exposed to all the extra stuff that comes from being washed in the modern rules of church.
She is a very effective Christian and lives out the great commission every day of her life better than most every other Christian I've ever known.
So my friend, who rarely goes to church, this week led a man, who has hated her for a decade, to salvation and eternal life with God. What did you do this week?
Sweet story.
Here's the thing.
Lynda and I have been in relationship with this family for a long time. We love them to death. Sometimes they come to church, but because of their work schedules, about the only day they get to have together is Sunday, so the don't come to church very often. He's not really into church stuff, anyway. And she is really new-agey and into crystals and auras. You know, the kind of stuff that gives regular evangelicals the heebee-geebies. She also reads the Bible and teacher her kids what she learns. She totally has the love of God thing down. In fact, she has it down better than most of the regular evangelicals I know, primarily because she doesn't go to church very often and doesn't get exposed to all the extra stuff that comes from being washed in the modern rules of church.
She is a very effective Christian and lives out the great commission every day of her life better than most every other Christian I've ever known.
So my friend, who rarely goes to church, this week led a man, who has hated her for a decade, to salvation and eternal life with God. What did you do this week?
Thursday, January 8, 2009
Another inconvenient Christian
I have a friend named Debbie Pope who I met before my wife and had a minor crush on because no only was she cute and had a southern accent, but she was also an incredible writer. That kind of thing turns my head. Debbie went on to become a popular professor is small colleges on the West Coast and is currently trying to find her next thing to do. She was always looking for the next thing. What has never changed is that she is still an incredible writer and I like to say she is the greatest writer you have never read. She wrote an essay on her Facebook today an I just had to share it with you, because it fits. And her writing still turns my head. Here's the Link
Sunday, January 4, 2009
Forgiveness: What it is and isn't
There was a political columnist talking about whether George Bush really wasn't as bad as he has been made out to be. His upshot was that kind of thinking leads to forgiveness and he just wasn't going to forgive President Bush.
That's so sad for him, not the President. And it shows a basic understanding of forgiveness that is horribly wrong.
Most people consider forgiveness to be a moment to be the "bigger person." To show the offender that, gee, what you did is not so bad and let's just forget about it. Sometimes that is what needs to be done. Sometimes what we take as a horrible personal offense is nothing more than bad manner, an oversight or a complete accident. But that is not forgiveness. That is a matter of perspective.
Very specifically: Forgiveness is not for the person being forgiven. It is for the person doing the forgiveness. Let's look at this.
If you go through life harboring a slight, a grudge, or an offense, you carry that issue with you for the rest of your life. It affects the relationships you have with everyone else. Everything you do is colored by it. It can keep you from having the relationships or achieving the things you really want in life. But forgiving that issue means it doesn't control your life; that person does not control your life. Forgiving means taking back your life and moving on with it.
Forgiving does not mean saying what was done was OK. It is not absolution. Sometimes it means a severe restructuring of a relationship. Sometimes it means starting the relationship again, from scratch. But that stage is reconciliation, not forgiveness.
My pastor likes to say that forgiving someone doesn't mean trusting them. I can agree with that. To trust someone, you have to know them. If you don't know them, you don't know their capabilities or standards so you don't know what to expect. When you forgive someone, you essentially say that you really didn't expect that of them so you really don't know them. You can decide at that point whether to have a relationship with them. Sometimes you need than knowledge to begin reconciliation and establish a relationship. That way they can't offend you because you know what's coming.
But sometimes you know the person very well. You know that the offense was a lapse in judgement, a lack of knowledge or moral weakness. You aren't saying what they did was right, but you still want to move forward with the relationship. So forgiving the peerson allows you to get what you want, which is a relationship with the offender.
And that is exactly why God forgives us; why Jesus did what he did on the cross. He wants a relationship with us. He wants to be with us for eternity. Moreover, he wants us to be in relationship with each other. So he paid the price for every offense we did to him, and to each other, so we don't have to hold grudges and curtail our lives because of those offenses. In the end, God's decision to forgive us has a selfish motive. He just wants to love us and he wants us to love each other.
That's so sad for him, not the President. And it shows a basic understanding of forgiveness that is horribly wrong.
Most people consider forgiveness to be a moment to be the "bigger person." To show the offender that, gee, what you did is not so bad and let's just forget about it. Sometimes that is what needs to be done. Sometimes what we take as a horrible personal offense is nothing more than bad manner, an oversight or a complete accident. But that is not forgiveness. That is a matter of perspective.
Very specifically: Forgiveness is not for the person being forgiven. It is for the person doing the forgiveness. Let's look at this.
If you go through life harboring a slight, a grudge, or an offense, you carry that issue with you for the rest of your life. It affects the relationships you have with everyone else. Everything you do is colored by it. It can keep you from having the relationships or achieving the things you really want in life. But forgiving that issue means it doesn't control your life; that person does not control your life. Forgiving means taking back your life and moving on with it.
Forgiving does not mean saying what was done was OK. It is not absolution. Sometimes it means a severe restructuring of a relationship. Sometimes it means starting the relationship again, from scratch. But that stage is reconciliation, not forgiveness.
My pastor likes to say that forgiving someone doesn't mean trusting them. I can agree with that. To trust someone, you have to know them. If you don't know them, you don't know their capabilities or standards so you don't know what to expect. When you forgive someone, you essentially say that you really didn't expect that of them so you really don't know them. You can decide at that point whether to have a relationship with them. Sometimes you need than knowledge to begin reconciliation and establish a relationship. That way they can't offend you because you know what's coming.
But sometimes you know the person very well. You know that the offense was a lapse in judgement, a lack of knowledge or moral weakness. You aren't saying what they did was right, but you still want to move forward with the relationship. So forgiving the peerson allows you to get what you want, which is a relationship with the offender.
And that is exactly why God forgives us; why Jesus did what he did on the cross. He wants a relationship with us. He wants to be with us for eternity. Moreover, he wants us to be in relationship with each other. So he paid the price for every offense we did to him, and to each other, so we don't have to hold grudges and curtail our lives because of those offenses. In the end, God's decision to forgive us has a selfish motive. He just wants to love us and he wants us to love each other.
Tuesday, December 30, 2008
Integrating Creationism and Evolution
My son and I went to see the BBC live production of Walking with Dinosaurs, which is admittedly a kids show, but Jon and I haven't lost all of our childlike wonder. It was a cool show.
Of course, while we were waiting for everything to begin we started talking about one of our pet peeves, that being the inability of many evangelical Christians to accept evolution as a true mechanism and the inability of fundamentalist Darwinians to consider the possibility that God and the Bible might have something to say about it all. So my brain was going while watching a full size T-Rex chase the announcer around the stage. (I said it was cool, didn't I). I've known that the Genesis story and the theory of evolution were not necessary exclusionary but I hadn't really put it together. At the end, it suddenly hit me.
Louis Leakey, late in his life, made one final fossil discovery in Africa and came out with a theory that caused no small controversy in scientific circles and was not widely published. Of course, since I thought his work was so awesome I always kept up with it. The theory was that man did not evolve from ape, but that ape and man evolved from a common ancestor. Now this statement put to an end the Creationist problem of being descended from apes and monkeys. I've known this for several decades.
But this is what hit me as I watched the show. The Bible says humans, as we know them, were the last step in creation and they were given dominion over the earth. We know from the fossil records that humanity is a very young species on this planet, essentially the last one to show up in the planet's history.
And if Dr. Leakey is right, and if Mr Darwin is right, the reason ape and man evolved separately was because they were in different environments, which required different attributes. If God placed man in a particular geographical location, then he created him to thrive in that environment. Apes evolved as they did because of their environment, where they were placed by a supreme intelligence.
The thing is, the Bible was never meant to be a science textbook, but just because it wasn't scientific doesn't mean it was wrong. There is always room for truth, we just have to find where the pieces fit.
Of course, while we were waiting for everything to begin we started talking about one of our pet peeves, that being the inability of many evangelical Christians to accept evolution as a true mechanism and the inability of fundamentalist Darwinians to consider the possibility that God and the Bible might have something to say about it all. So my brain was going while watching a full size T-Rex chase the announcer around the stage. (I said it was cool, didn't I). I've known that the Genesis story and the theory of evolution were not necessary exclusionary but I hadn't really put it together. At the end, it suddenly hit me.
Louis Leakey, late in his life, made one final fossil discovery in Africa and came out with a theory that caused no small controversy in scientific circles and was not widely published. Of course, since I thought his work was so awesome I always kept up with it. The theory was that man did not evolve from ape, but that ape and man evolved from a common ancestor. Now this statement put to an end the Creationist problem of being descended from apes and monkeys. I've known this for several decades.
But this is what hit me as I watched the show. The Bible says humans, as we know them, were the last step in creation and they were given dominion over the earth. We know from the fossil records that humanity is a very young species on this planet, essentially the last one to show up in the planet's history.
And if Dr. Leakey is right, and if Mr Darwin is right, the reason ape and man evolved separately was because they were in different environments, which required different attributes. If God placed man in a particular geographical location, then he created him to thrive in that environment. Apes evolved as they did because of their environment, where they were placed by a supreme intelligence.
The thing is, the Bible was never meant to be a science textbook, but just because it wasn't scientific doesn't mean it was wrong. There is always room for truth, we just have to find where the pieces fit.
Sunday, December 21, 2008
A life of Grace is not easy
Some people think grace is the easy way out. They think it means holding no one accountable; that it's a free ride. They couldn't be more wrong. Walking a life of grace is the hardest thing of all.
Living under law means everything is clear, black and white. Those people are right and those over there are wrong. Law puts clear boundaries between the people who think like you and the people who don't. Grace blurs the lines. It takes away the easy answers and leaves you wholly dependent on someone else; a much higher authority. It means finding a path to acceptance without necessarily approving.
I started writing this while on business in Scotland and it's taken me a while to get my thoughts clear.
There was a significant moral debate going on in the United Kingdom regarding assisted suicide. Two UK citizens have traveled to Switzerland where a medical clinic provides the means for people to end their lives, regardless if their condition is immediately terminal. One was a young man in his 20s that was paralyzed from the neck down in a rugby training exercise. The second was a man in his 50s with a neurological condition that affects his ability to breath.
As can be expected, right-to-life groups and, specifically, Christians in the UK are protesting the decisions and are pressuring the government to take action. (Hey, it's not just America!) The lines are pretty well drawn in this discussion, just as they are in the case of abortion, gay lifestyles, global warming, etc. People are either for or against to varying degrees. But grace makes that determination much more difficult for the individual. Here's what I mean.
I am morally opposed to suicide, assisted or otherwise. My immediate reaction to the concept is that taking your life is selfish and cowardly. I'm probably not alone. There is a moral question on taking a human life, even if it is your own. But that is not an absolute position. We've all heard the stories of soldiers falling on hand grenades to save their comrades. The soldier that does that is killing himself. Nothing selfish or cowardly about that, is there? That's selfless and brave. So a decision to end your life is not always right or wrong
The young rugby player said he did not want to live "a second-class life." The older man said he did not want to be a burden on his family. Now both of those reasons are questionable.
Was the young man saying people in wheelchairs are second class people? That's insensitive and an insult to handicapped people, isn't it? What's probably more accurate is that he defined his life by his ability to play sports and now he lacked definition. Or is he correct when he sees the way handicapped people live and was just being realistic.
The older man apparently thinks his family is incapable of making a sacrifice for his life, or he doesn't think he is worth the trouble. Shouldn't he check with his family to see if they feel he's a burden? Of course, they aren't going to say it, but he should check. Or maybe he knows the financial and emotional limits of his family and he's absolutely selfless in the decision.
How can we know the real reason for their decisions? Well, we have to be omniscient. I'm not. Are you? In fact, I only know one person who is. And he usually doesn't let me in on that kind of information.
If you live a life directed by law, you don't have to ask those questions. The whole thing is black and white; right and wrong. In a life of grace, you can't make that decision. But you can ask a question and you can take an action.
When I read the articles about both men, I thought first how said life can be for some people. The young man was vibrant and committed to a sport that he loved and that was taken from him before he could completely explore his passion. The older man was a scientist and his curiosity curtailed by an inability to breathe unassisted. I felt for them. I also grieved that they no longer saw life, in any form, worth living. And then I asked, "Are the ready for what comes next?"
I didn't have an answer for that, anymore than I had a clear understanding of their motives. But I did have something I could be sure of.
I asked God to send someone to both of these men before they committed suicide to tell them that they were loved, that they were forgiven, and that, if they wanted, they could spend eternity with Him.
In a life of grace, that may be all we can do and be assured that He will do whatever it takes to make that happen. In some cases, He might even send me. Knowing that call could come anytime for me makes my life worth living everyday. And I don't even have to get morally outraged. What a time and energy saver that is.
Living under law means everything is clear, black and white. Those people are right and those over there are wrong. Law puts clear boundaries between the people who think like you and the people who don't. Grace blurs the lines. It takes away the easy answers and leaves you wholly dependent on someone else; a much higher authority. It means finding a path to acceptance without necessarily approving.
I started writing this while on business in Scotland and it's taken me a while to get my thoughts clear.
There was a significant moral debate going on in the United Kingdom regarding assisted suicide. Two UK citizens have traveled to Switzerland where a medical clinic provides the means for people to end their lives, regardless if their condition is immediately terminal. One was a young man in his 20s that was paralyzed from the neck down in a rugby training exercise. The second was a man in his 50s with a neurological condition that affects his ability to breath.
As can be expected, right-to-life groups and, specifically, Christians in the UK are protesting the decisions and are pressuring the government to take action. (Hey, it's not just America!) The lines are pretty well drawn in this discussion, just as they are in the case of abortion, gay lifestyles, global warming, etc. People are either for or against to varying degrees. But grace makes that determination much more difficult for the individual. Here's what I mean.
I am morally opposed to suicide, assisted or otherwise. My immediate reaction to the concept is that taking your life is selfish and cowardly. I'm probably not alone. There is a moral question on taking a human life, even if it is your own. But that is not an absolute position. We've all heard the stories of soldiers falling on hand grenades to save their comrades. The soldier that does that is killing himself. Nothing selfish or cowardly about that, is there? That's selfless and brave. So a decision to end your life is not always right or wrong
The young rugby player said he did not want to live "a second-class life." The older man said he did not want to be a burden on his family. Now both of those reasons are questionable.
Was the young man saying people in wheelchairs are second class people? That's insensitive and an insult to handicapped people, isn't it? What's probably more accurate is that he defined his life by his ability to play sports and now he lacked definition. Or is he correct when he sees the way handicapped people live and was just being realistic.
The older man apparently thinks his family is incapable of making a sacrifice for his life, or he doesn't think he is worth the trouble. Shouldn't he check with his family to see if they feel he's a burden? Of course, they aren't going to say it, but he should check. Or maybe he knows the financial and emotional limits of his family and he's absolutely selfless in the decision.
How can we know the real reason for their decisions? Well, we have to be omniscient. I'm not. Are you? In fact, I only know one person who is. And he usually doesn't let me in on that kind of information.
If you live a life directed by law, you don't have to ask those questions. The whole thing is black and white; right and wrong. In a life of grace, you can't make that decision. But you can ask a question and you can take an action.
When I read the articles about both men, I thought first how said life can be for some people. The young man was vibrant and committed to a sport that he loved and that was taken from him before he could completely explore his passion. The older man was a scientist and his curiosity curtailed by an inability to breathe unassisted. I felt for them. I also grieved that they no longer saw life, in any form, worth living. And then I asked, "Are the ready for what comes next?"
I didn't have an answer for that, anymore than I had a clear understanding of their motives. But I did have something I could be sure of.
I asked God to send someone to both of these men before they committed suicide to tell them that they were loved, that they were forgiven, and that, if they wanted, they could spend eternity with Him.
In a life of grace, that may be all we can do and be assured that He will do whatever it takes to make that happen. In some cases, He might even send me. Knowing that call could come anytime for me makes my life worth living everyday. And I don't even have to get morally outraged. What a time and energy saver that is.
Thursday, December 4, 2008
Saved. Knowing God. Two different things.
I've been mulling over something for a long time now, waiting for the pieces to fall into place, and they did last night just as I crawled into bed and passed out for the night. I think I'm on to something because it didn't leave my head when I woke up 7 hours later.
This is really going to piss off a lot of people. Here goes.
You can be "saved" and your sins forgiven and not know God. You can be practicing any sort of sinful lifestyle and still be on the path to heaven, but you may never know it or be able to enjoy the trip, because you don't know God.
This came to me while reading 1 John 2 where the apostle writes, "If anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."
OK, do you get that? All sin, everyone's sin, past, present and future has been paid for by the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross. Does that mean we stop sinful practices? Maybe, if we really understand what that sacrifice meant. But how many people really understand what it means? How many people really know what that means. Well, John goes on to say, "We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did."
Does John say, that anyone truly saved obeys the commandments? No, he says if we know and love God, then we obey. This is a clear distinction between the act of salvation and what some people call "the witness."
We have to understand that we have NOTHING to do with the salvation process. That is all in Jesus. He did it for us. They only thing we have to do to get on the train is say, "Yes, I want to be saved and not go to hell."
Many people do exactly that and then go on to lead the most horrendous lifestyle. For example, Fred Phelps, the Idaho pastor that travels around the country making ugly anti-gay protests. Almost every Christian I know thinks what he does is an abomination. They do not call his lifestyle Christian. Yet, they all know that Fred made a commitment to Christ and is therefore a Christian.
The problem is, Fred is a very bad witness and no one wants to be associated with him. Why, because Fred really doesn't know God and his lifestyle shows it. Still going to heaven, but not someone to be around.
To know God, you have to spend some time with him. That's why we need to read the Bible and pray. That doesn't mean reading a book about what someone else says the Bible says; that doesn't mean listing to Christian radio or watching Christian TV; it doesn't mean listening to sermons. None of that is bad, but it does not replace reading God's "letters" to you and talking directly to him. That's how you get to know him. And when you get to know him, you find out how much he loves you. You find out what he had to give up to get you into a relationship with him. And you find yourself becoming more and more grateful and want to find out what you can possibly do for him. And what does he tell you to do?
He says, be safe; don't do harm to yourself or others, and spend more time with him. That's the heart of the Bible. All of it.
OK, so some Christians are really pissed off right now saying I'm taking this all out of context. Let me give you some context. Read all of Romans in one sitting. Don't stop after a couple of chapters. Take it all in at one time. Do the same with Galatians. Then read all of John's Epistles in one sitting. You can do all of that in a single day.
Then read Luke 17:11-19. Oh, heck, I'll just give it to you.
"Now on his way to Jerusalem, Jesus traveled along the border between Samaria and Galilee. As he was going into a village, ten men who had leprosy met him. They stood at a distance and called out in a loud voice, 'Jesus, Master, have pity on us!' When he saw them, he said, 'Go, show yourselves to the priests.' And as they went, they were cleansed. One of them, when he saw he was healed, came back, praising God in a loud voice. He threw himself at Jesus' feet and thanked him - and he was a Samaritan. Jesus asked, 'Were not all ten cleansed? Where are the other nine? Was no one found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?' Then he said to him, 'Rise and go; your faith has made you well.'"
The question I have for you is how many of the lepers were "saved" from their disease? Was it only the one who came back or all 10? Only one decided to find out more about the man who saved him. The other nine went on their way, continuing in the life they had before they met Jesus. (By the way, at that time, Samaritans to Jews where the equivalent of gays to evangelicals).
Let me give you a couple of other examples from the Old Testament. Abraham lied and cheated his way through life. So did his grandson Jacob. So did his descendent David, King of Israel. Yet those three spent time with God and knew him. They had relationship with him. Those are only three I'm mentioning.
Yet Jesus and all the apostles say that when Jesus rose from the dead, he brought with him everyone who was in Hell who wanted to come. They are all with God now, regardless of how they lived their life and whether they knew God.
Your lifestyle doesn't keep you from being saved. It can just keep you from enjoying your life. Don't believe me? Start reading the Bible. You'll see.
This is really going to piss off a lot of people. Here goes.
You can be "saved" and your sins forgiven and not know God. You can be practicing any sort of sinful lifestyle and still be on the path to heaven, but you may never know it or be able to enjoy the trip, because you don't know God.
This came to me while reading 1 John 2 where the apostle writes, "If anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."
OK, do you get that? All sin, everyone's sin, past, present and future has been paid for by the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross. Does that mean we stop sinful practices? Maybe, if we really understand what that sacrifice meant. But how many people really understand what it means? How many people really know what that means. Well, John goes on to say, "We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did."
Does John say, that anyone truly saved obeys the commandments? No, he says if we know and love God, then we obey. This is a clear distinction between the act of salvation and what some people call "the witness."
We have to understand that we have NOTHING to do with the salvation process. That is all in Jesus. He did it for us. They only thing we have to do to get on the train is say, "Yes, I want to be saved and not go to hell."
Many people do exactly that and then go on to lead the most horrendous lifestyle. For example, Fred Phelps, the Idaho pastor that travels around the country making ugly anti-gay protests. Almost every Christian I know thinks what he does is an abomination. They do not call his lifestyle Christian. Yet, they all know that Fred made a commitment to Christ and is therefore a Christian.
The problem is, Fred is a very bad witness and no one wants to be associated with him. Why, because Fred really doesn't know God and his lifestyle shows it. Still going to heaven, but not someone to be around.
To know God, you have to spend some time with him. That's why we need to read the Bible and pray. That doesn't mean reading a book about what someone else says the Bible says; that doesn't mean listing to Christian radio or watching Christian TV; it doesn't mean listening to sermons. None of that is bad, but it does not replace reading God's "letters" to you and talking directly to him. That's how you get to know him. And when you get to know him, you find out how much he loves you. You find out what he had to give up to get you into a relationship with him. And you find yourself becoming more and more grateful and want to find out what you can possibly do for him. And what does he tell you to do?
He says, be safe; don't do harm to yourself or others, and spend more time with him. That's the heart of the Bible. All of it.
OK, so some Christians are really pissed off right now saying I'm taking this all out of context. Let me give you some context. Read all of Romans in one sitting. Don't stop after a couple of chapters. Take it all in at one time. Do the same with Galatians. Then read all of John's Epistles in one sitting. You can do all of that in a single day.
Then read Luke 17:11-19. Oh, heck, I'll just give it to you.
"Now on his way to Jerusalem, Jesus traveled along the border between Samaria and Galilee. As he was going into a village, ten men who had leprosy met him. They stood at a distance and called out in a loud voice, 'Jesus, Master, have pity on us!' When he saw them, he said, 'Go, show yourselves to the priests.' And as they went, they were cleansed. One of them, when he saw he was healed, came back, praising God in a loud voice. He threw himself at Jesus' feet and thanked him - and he was a Samaritan. Jesus asked, 'Were not all ten cleansed? Where are the other nine? Was no one found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?' Then he said to him, 'Rise and go; your faith has made you well.'"
The question I have for you is how many of the lepers were "saved" from their disease? Was it only the one who came back or all 10? Only one decided to find out more about the man who saved him. The other nine went on their way, continuing in the life they had before they met Jesus. (By the way, at that time, Samaritans to Jews where the equivalent of gays to evangelicals).
Let me give you a couple of other examples from the Old Testament. Abraham lied and cheated his way through life. So did his grandson Jacob. So did his descendent David, King of Israel. Yet those three spent time with God and knew him. They had relationship with him. Those are only three I'm mentioning.
Yet Jesus and all the apostles say that when Jesus rose from the dead, he brought with him everyone who was in Hell who wanted to come. They are all with God now, regardless of how they lived their life and whether they knew God.
Your lifestyle doesn't keep you from being saved. It can just keep you from enjoying your life. Don't believe me? Start reading the Bible. You'll see.
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